We are attempting to get a better sense for the genetic ancestry and the commonality or diversity of the various Riehle lines. While autosomal DNA (atDNA) dilutes over a limited number of generations, Y-DNA and mt-DNA remain distinctive over hundreds of generations. Many of us attempt to track our mtDNA as well as Y-DNA back as far as we can, but since this site is focused on a specific surname and since surnames in our culture have generally been passed from father to son along with the Y chromosome, tracking Y-haplogroups among Family Segments has relevance to the focus of this website.
We all understand of course that not all Riehle Y-DNA will be the same. Surnames only came into common use in Germany in the later middle ages and came from many sources including place names, references to a parent’s given name, occupations, accomplishments, offices held, physical appearance, etc. Moreover in Germany surnames only became firmly and legally hereditary in the 19th century, so prior to that time a man might assume a surname similar to others in use if it seemed a good fit, or those around him might reference him with a descriptive name, assigning it to his children in subsequent church records.
Although we do not know the source of our surname, it may have been borrowed from the Old French “riuler“, from Latin regulāre, “to regulate or rule”. Its use in Baden (along the Rhine, adjacent to France) might support this. Another source speculates a similar association. Regardless, this works as an example of how names might have been assumed back in the day as various local leaders might have adopted the name from other such leaders in the region with no hereditary association. Of course surname lineages may also vary from genetic lineages due to adoptions, unmarried mothers abandoned by fathers, wives unfaithful to husbands, pronunciation drift, spelling differences (in church records for example) or other anomalies that can creep into a family line over hundreds of years.
Whatever the history of the name within a particular lineage, it has been carried forward as a representations of that lineage and remains with us today. As we attempt to identify Riehle haplogroups we endeavor to identify the genetic history of each such lineages, going back to the time of the adoption of the name within that lineage, and then millennia beyond. Of course we also look for any haplogroup commonality we might find across and within our various Family Segments.
So we are attempting to tie the various results from Y-DNA testing to Riehle Immigrant Ancestors or other broad family identifiers. More data will yield better insights, so please do not hold back just because there may already be results for your ancestral line. We have already identified centuries old commonality within lineages as well as anomalistic difference. More listings provide better information.
We will of course want to have information about your earliest known Riehle male ancestors and about adoptions or other reasons why your Y-DNA might vary from that of earlier ancestor. Nothing will go on this table without your review and approval but such context will be helpful regardless.
|Y-Haplogroup||Information Including Immigrant Ancestor or Similar Family Ties|
(With deep subclade detail available on request)
|We now have distant Riehle cousins (6C1R) from the Wagshurst line showing closely matching, deep subclade results within the E-V13 haplogroup. A Riehle from the line of Clemens Riehle is matched to the line of Felix and Leonhard Riehle. The lineages have their MRCA (most recent common ancestor) in Mathias Riehle, born 1697 in Wagshurts, Baden. Various Autosomal DNA matches link to other Riehle family members back through Johannes Riehle (1756–1828), providing confirmation of continuity for a great many Wagshurst descendants. Such descendants are in Ohio, New York, Indiana, Kentucky, Arizona, California, Wisconsin, Iowa and other parts of the US and Canada.|
|R1a-CTS1211||This Y-DNA haplogroup is provided by a man with the Riehle surname who is a genealogical descendant of Adrian Riehle. Adrian immigrated to the US in the middle decades of the 19th century from Wagshurts Baden, however a Y-DNA continuity issue has been identified suggesting this Y-DNA tester was not a genetic descendant. Adrian likely was E-V13 based on a genetic match to the Wagshurst lineage via other descendants. Comment below to request more information.|
|R-S6168 – A deep subclade of L21, aka R1b1a1a2a1a2c, aka R1b-M529||This Y-DNA is from a genealogical descendant of Bartholomew Riehle (via son Andrew) of Offenburg, Baden, with descendants in Ross County Ohio, Farming Minnesota, North Dakota and elsewhere. Available statistics indicate this haplogroup has over 80% identification to Irish ancestry with the rest Scottish and English so additional Y-DNA testing data are required for this lineage.|
|R1b1 – Over 99% likely to be Haplogroup |
R-M269, aka R1b1a1a1a2
|This is a second, older, less precise reading of simply R1b1 from another Bartholomew Riehle descendant (via his son Ferdinand). This older, less specific reading may possibly reflects the same haplogroup as above since R-S6168 is a subclade of R-M269. This cannot however be viewed as strongly corroborative as most men of German ancestry with the R-M269 designation are R1b1-S21 (see below).|
|Possible atDNA link to E-V13||There is autosomal DNA evidence (from one segment with very low cM) suggesting an all male connection between a Bartholomew Riehle descendant (via his son Henry) and a man with E-V13 Y-DNA from the Wagshurst line. This connection requires stronger verification, ideally through Y-DNA testing.|
subclade of R-M420 (R1a)
|This haplogroup assessment comes from a descendant of Joseph Riehle Sr. who immigrated to Lafayette Indiana from Baden in 1854. Male siblings of Joseph also settled in Lafayette as well as in Kansas City, MO. An estimated 99.7% of documented test-subjects in this haplogroup are in subclade R-M417 which appears to have originated well north of Baden with its greatest numbers in Scandinavia, Poland and Russia as well as Germany. More testing from this line would be very helpful.|
|R1b1-S21, aka R-M405, aka R-U106, aka R1b1a1a2a1a1||From a Riehle in Germany near Stuttgart (Württemberg). This haplogroup is held by about 19% of men in Germany. We welcome other Württemberg Riehle or other German Riehle descendants to participate.|
Riehle.Net is now also working with Family Tree DNA where we have established a Surname Project: “Riehle of Germanic Europe”. You can work with us through either site to explore our common and diverse Y-DNA connections.
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